Charles Beaton [CB]: Hello it’s Charlie here I’m with Chris and we’re going to talk about his uh experience of Bristol do you want to introduce yourself Chris Webb [CW]: Yeah my name is Chris Webb um what should I say oh my birthdate is September 9th 1982 and um (short pause) not sure what else to say we’re here in Bristol in my flat CB: Okay uh thank you for uh giving us the time I want to record some of your experience of Bristol and see what’s relevant for our exhibition at M Shed in February 2013 what was your first experience of Bristol CW: Um my first experience of Bristol was actually years and years ago I finished my I was doing I did my degree in Canada in a small town and I had been there quite comfortably there for about 4 years and when it came to the end of my degree I just sort of hung around for the Summer and I didn’t know what I was going to do but I applied for an internship with a museum in Bristol and I didn’t get an interview and then to make a long story short the candidates they interviewed didn’t work out and I did get an interview and with about 2 weeks’ notice I was moving to Bristol to work at the British Empire and Commonwealth Museum which is now no longer now becoming the collections are becoming a part of the Bristol City Museum and so I just sort of picked up and came to Bristol on just on this whim that I got this yearlong internship and that was 2005 and then I came here for a year before moving to other places around the UK and studying and working in in different places but um my first impressions were that (short pause) I don’t know it was I was looking for something new and it was a new place to be and I was really I think I was sort of taken by this chance to have a fresh start and be somewhere new and be on another part of the world and um sort of stand on my own 2 feet and it reminded me a lot of Toronto where I was born and grew up because it seemed to be (short pause) a sort of diverse place that was quite cosmopolitan in a way but also a bit rough around the edges and whatnot and um I just my first impressions that I just very much felt at home here I still haven’t quite worked out what that is for but I’ve always sort of felt at ease and at home in Bristol and um (short pause) and then I spent after leaving Bristol I spent a good 5 or 6 years working out a way to come back to Bristol (short pause) [0.03.14] CB: I see so it was Bristol came to your attention through the museum advertising CW: Yeah there was a programme in Canada where there was a graduate’s internship and it just so happened that one of the museums I applied to was in Bristol so I’d never had any intention of living in the UK or living in Bristol but of course sorry CB: We’ll just pause to answer the door. Okay we’re continuing now having dealt with FedEx you were telling us about why Bristol chose you then CW: Yeah and so I just came and um (short pause) it’s just I was looking for something to do and I didn’t have anything to do and it worked out and I was met at the airport by my manager from the museum and I came I stayed in the hostel in the Harbour for a week and then I found a place to live and just happened from there CB: Okay and what about gay Bristol how did you find it as a gay town CW: Um I didn’t really (short pause) it’s hard I don’t know it’s hard to say um I was aware when I came to Bristol well I’d come to Bristol uh after living in a very small town a university town with sort of different gay bars but only 1 gay bar at a time because they opened and shut and opened and shut and it was a fairly small community and the university I went to was a fairly sort of conservative university where there wasn’t much there was a society but there wasn’t much happening um so (short pause) I when I came to Bristol I was sort of looking for what there was and it didn’t strike me immediately as a place with a huge gay scene or gay resources and things available but I did feel that um I did go to a few places and make some friends and and whatnot but for me it was more a place where I had a fresh start and it wasn’t really about there being a scene or things in general but it was sort of um a place for me where I could I didn’t have any people from my past that I had to explain anything to I guess I just sort of came and I could start as who I was and um because I’d been in a place where I grew up in 1 place and then I’d been in an institution as a university for 4 years where I had the same very close circle of friends for 4 years so for me um the novelty of Bristol and being gay in Bristol was that I could that I just started out in 1 way and I was looking for house shares with people who were either gay-friendly or um (short pause) everybody I met I was starting off on that foot it wasn’t like I had a past of explanation to do or whatnot and it just seemed like a different kind of feel for me but I did have some friends at work 1 of my friends at work was a lesbian and we went she introduced me to some nights here and there and some other events and um (short pause) for but I didn’t really get into I don’t know I’ve never really been that into this sort of scene as you might call it but um (short pause) but I was aware of what was available in Bristol and different things that were happening and I was impressed not impressed but I was able to dabble into and find things that met my interest and there was a bigger wealth of things than I was used to there being where I had previously lived in Kingston in Canada (short pause) yeah I don’t know if that makes sense [0.07.20] CB: And you were here in Bristol for a year what took you off to Manchester you mentioned CW: Well I actually went all over the place so I lived in Bristol for a year and then I studied in Brighton for a year which was like a completely different scene and um I got more into going to the bars and clubs and the gay scene there in Brighton because you sort of can’t avoid it anyway not that I was avoiding it but and then I lived in London for about a year and a half to 2 years and then I lived in Manchester where I studied again so I sort of did a combination of studying and then working and studying and then working until um (short pause) we reached this point where I’m back in Bristol and doing a bit of both um (short pause) but in generally it was when I left Bristol there was a desire to stay in the UK and I had discovered this world of sort of doing oral history and museum work and there’s a lot more opportunities in that world here so it made sense to study here and um it’s funny actually the first day I was in the UK my new housemates told me they would only ever live in Bristol Brighton London and Manchester (laughs) and somehow I’ve lived in those places not consciously but it occurred to me later that those are all the places I ended up living in exploring CB: In that Brighton London and Manchester are the gay axis of the UK CW: They are yeah definitely yeah so it has been interesting living in the different places and for some reason I’m most happy and comfortable in Bristol but I appreciate all the places for what they have to offer (short pause) CB: So what is it about Bristol then because Brighton is the gay Mecca CW: Yeah I don’t know it’s hard I really love Brighton but um in Brighton there’s sort of loads happening and then at the same time it seems very small and insular and um it becomes sort of samey and (short pause) small quite quickly um (short pause) Bristol was a place that I found I think the difference is that Bristol was a place that I found more people that I found were likeminded to me um I found more alternative nights I found lots of interesting people who run The Cube cinema and art space and whatnot um I met lots of people who were not necessarily politically minded but um or activist minded particularly but sort of (short pause) those sort of things played a bigger part in their lives and they were (short pause) there was (short pause) I don’t know there was more happening that suited that side of my personality whereas in Brighton there was much more things that were a part of the gay scene but it was much more (short pause) superficial and like going out having fun and whatnot so there I loved my time in both places uh Brighton sort of seemed like this fun vacation where we stayed out late and did a lot of fun stuff but Bristol seemed like a place where the roots I’ve actually planted some roots and felt like I had a place to go back to and people I’d want to go back and see and it felt like (short pause) it felt like a place where there was room to grow whereas Brighton always just seemed like I was a tourist there it’s a strange place I don’t know if everybody finds that but (short pause) but yeah CB: So in your time in Bristol what have you learnt about the the gay life here that surprised you CW: Um I don’t know I mean in places like Brighton Manchester and London the scene tends to sort of centre around 1 specific place and that tends to be where there are bars and all of those things um and it’s sort of very in your face and very um (short pause) bold and uh commercial sometimes a bit commercial um in Bristol it didn’t on first impressions it never struck me as a very gay city but then when you look a little further you find out there are nights and events here and there and there are lots of sort of not hippie but alternative groups and cafes which have um (short pause) events that suit different interests which are not necessarily straight or gay but just (short pause) anyone can belong to and people seem in those groups and circles seem to be quite open minded to whomever wants to come along and I think I just always felt more comfortable (short pause) in that type of scenario I don’t know if that makes any sense but I found I’ve totally forgotten the question now but um (short pause) I found that yeah on first impression Bristol didn’t seem to have this huge sort of um community that you would get just walking up Canal Street or walking up through (short pause) Kemptown in Brighton or Soho in London or wherever you go but when I looked further there was a scene that had much more to offer in terms of different varities of music playing in bars or say types of events but there was also this other scene that was the other part of my personality which is (short pause) creative doing creative things workshops um light activism you might say um and Bristol is the only place that caters to both both things for me and 1 thing that my friends always say when we come to Bristol when they come to visit and we want to go out and do things is they they’ll pick up a magazine or a What’sOn guide and they it strikes them that as they flip through it there’s listings for straight bars gay bars whatever throughout 1 publication perhaps whereas in Brighton there are gay scene guides and regular What’sOn guides not regular not normal but just everybody and it’s all very sort of separate whereas Bristol it’s a little less obvious you have to sort of weave your way through it I mean that’s my experience I don’t know if that’s representative of everyone’s experience and um and that’s just always worked for me (short pause) I’ve always been comfortable with having both those fears and they don’t have to be separate whereas I found in other cities they had to be quite separate (short pause) in a way they didn’t always cross [0.15.17] CB: Oh right CW: Does that make sense CB: Yes it does yes and it explains some of the comments that I’ve had from people in Manchester and Brighton who see Bristol as quite provincial and uh (short pause) because it doesn’t have gay full strength (short pause) even though people are trying to create Old Market as a CW: Yeah and I and I appreciate that and I think it’s important to have sort of this sort of visible scene but (short pause) um I also like that there’s it’s a bit sort of blended and some nights are once a month in an otherwise straight bar and some nights are there are more alternative things happening that um (short pause) suit a wider range of tastes I think I don’t know (short pause) mmm [0.16.24] CB: So you moved to Bristol you’re settled here you see yourself as settled here you’ve got a companion you live with how long has that been going how much does that relate to Bristol CW: Um oh god I’m in trouble um (short pause) I mean (short pause) I met my partner in London in (short pause) 2008 and then I moved to Manchester and 6 months later Will moved to Manchester and then we lived in Manchester for about 2 and a half years or so before coming back down to Bristol and he had always had an interest in living in Bristol and I was always waiting to go back but it worked out nicely because he is actually doing um a course here so I didn’t feel like I was pulling him to Bristol from it worked out that we both had reasons to more solid reasons to come back to Bristol and I see myself quite settled here for the long term at least maybe 5 10 years or so but it’s hard to say because my kind of work takes me different places and I’m um (short pause) I get itchy feet like I’m used to moving from place to place now and I can’t I don’t know if I’ll get itchy feet in Manchester I was ready very very ready to go by the time I had the freedom to go but I don’t’ foresee that happening in Bristol I feel much more settled here and I don’t know there’s just something about Bristol that’s always felt like home to me since I arrived and I don’t know if it’s similarities to where I grew up or (short pause) it’s just some strange thing you can’t put your finger on but I’m quite I feel quite happy here and happy building links here and it’s a good place to be in terms of distance to London the creative work I do there’s lots of creative industry and people here in Bristol so it does just seems to be a good place to be for now or for the next while CB: So in the work you do which is in Bristol and takes you away from Bristol how out are you able to be or need to be or want to be CW: Um I feel that I’m fairly able I’ve um (short pause) I would say that I am fairly I’m out in all the work that I do I mean it’s sort of strange that people don’t I think people either make assumptions or they wait a long time to ask you anything about it it doesn’t sort of come up on day 1 of this and that um but I guess there are varying degrees (short pause) in the creative workshops and art workshops that I do um I mean I do everything from um working with (short pause) schools to working with (short pause) doing like hen parties art workshop hen parties so I mean I’m in a lot of situations where I work with different people and it wouldn’t come up or it’s not it wouldn’t affect the work I do and I think people are pretty pretty open about it but I do when I’m at work I talk about my partner and or and whatnot so I think I don’t have memories of being of having to say other things or lie or come up with I don’t I don’t feel I have I don’t have any experience of being closeted at work but there are lots of situations where I’ve done some sort of work for quite a while and it hasn’t come up or nobody’s asked me but I don’t feel that I’m hiding anything but I think it’s I mean in the museum heritage world it’s quite um (short pause) it’s quite a sort of liberal leaning world and in creative arts and workshops it’s quite a liberal leaning world in universities sometimes maybe it’s a different story and (something) more is that I don’t really share any of my personal life with university and it’s not because of um (short pause) being gay or this or that or whatnot it’s because I like to have a more professional line than that but more and more these days it’s harder to maintain those boundaries because so much is more so much is public online and sort of blurs I guess (short pause) [0.21.14] CB: So looking back to the um being a student doing your first degree you said it was a small institution were you able to be involved in gay um groups or CW: Yeah I was it was um the it’s I have a real chip on my shoulder about this it’s a huge university but it’s very traditional it’s like it likes to think of itself as the Cambridge or Oxford or Harvard of Canada the Queen’s University () it’s called Queen’s University um and it I sort of think I thought maybe when I went to university I was going to have this like fresh start and I don’t know in my like growing up in high school in school we didn’t there was no acknowledgement of gay anything there was no societies or whatnot but then within 4 5 within years of when I finished school something changed in the school board and there was like a Toronto-wide gay prom and there was gay societies in all the schools and I think I was just on the cusp of that and I think I thought going to university was going to be this whole new world and in some ways it definitely was a whole new world and (short pause) things changed simply because I wasn’t living with in my parents’ house and you have more freedoms when you live out of the suburbs and those kinds of things but (short pause) um (short pause) I don’t know what that noise is it might be my neighbours don’t worry things changed but it was the very traditional university it has a lot of problems the university it’s very uh it’s not very ethnically diverse it’s not very (short pause) sorry it’s not very ethnically diverse there’s a lot of institutional discrimination in the university and the programme I was in there was much the programme I was in it was much more women than men but as a result of that there was a lot of like machismo and there was a lot of like oh there’s 10 girls to every guy so guys can have their pick of the girls and suddenly it was very like (short pause) rather than going the way you think it would go it went in this completely different direction and suddenly I was there was this world I was in was sort of more heteronormative than high school that I couldn’t really understand so over the years I got sort of more involved and found things to get involved with and met more people and loosened up a bit but when you’re brand new you’re new in a new environment and you start off on 1 foot because the pressures around you and because of suddenly it’s not what you expect then as you sort of as I sort of came out and (short pause) got more interested in or found out more about the people I could meet and the organisations I could get involved with then there was sort of a bit more sort of I don’t think I was ever in the closet but there was a bit more of a backstory I had to face with whereas coming to Bristol I think that was my new chance to really be in a more in a different place and have that fresh foot start that some people get when they go to uni or college or something and uh (short pause) and I did go to I did get involved in the campaigning committees and um some other projects and and whatnot over my years but it took a little while and I think things changed drastically over those 4 years too because I don’t remember there being much when I started but by the end it seemed every day to me there were these organisations and groups so a bizarre place (laughs) it’s like going back in time [0.25.32] CB: I can’t quite work what part of Canada it must be in the East CW: It’s in the it’s sort of central um Toronto is sort of on the lakes just north of New York and then Kingston where Queen’s University is is about 2 and a half hours out of Toronto so it’s about town of 120,000 people it’s not a small small place but the university is very (short pause) insular and sort of steeped in a very white upper-middle class tradition which I was totally unaware of I just got into a programme and it was a difficult programme to get into so as a result of that everybody told me I should take up the opportunity and I didn’t really think I was young and didn’t really think about these things and I so I just went and then it was a completely different experience than I expected it to be and I’m glad I did it and over the years I made it my own but I didn’t have that moment of like uh I’m in college I’m liberated like a lot of people I think (short pause) their first week their first month really experience CB: Do you have brothers and sisters CW: I have 2 older sisters (short pause) who both of whom live in Canada (short pause) so but they went to different universities and lived in different places so I didn’t have the benefit of their experience to warn me CB: And you still have close interaction with regular contact with them CW: Yeah oh no I’m very close to my family and they come and visit me here and I go back and visit them quite quite often so I’ve maintained I’ve been able to I’ve been lucky that I’ve had the freedom to have time to go and travel and visit at home and um spend some time there over the years as well so I maintained pretty close ties [0.27.32] CB: I know we’re some way away from the exhibition in Bristol but uh do they want you back in Canada is this CW: Yeah I think there’s a bit of pressure um because especially my sister started having kids and there seems to be much more happening um there is a pressure to go back but the more they visit me here I think they see that I have reasons to be here and uh they can see why I enjoy life here um but we I would consider it I mean also that being said my partner’s family his sister lives in Los Angeles and his Mum lives in Europe in France so there isn’t that much really holding us here we could go to Canada we could go elsewhere but I’ve spent so much time trying to work out where to live here I could go to Canada and spend 5 years moving from city to city trying to find and I’m a bit worn out of that too I think so we’re here for now but there is some pressure to go back over but I see them enough that (short pause) I don’t think it’s a big deal [0.28.40] CB: And if you go to Canada would you go to Toronto have you any connections to the gay scene in Toronto now CW: I do and I don’t I mean I would the trouble is that if I go to Toronto I would probably stay with 1 of my sisters or with my Mum in her house in the suburbs and I have friends who are do run events and are DJs on the scene in Toronto I have lots of friends gay friends and lesbian friends in Toronto (short pause) um but I just don’t have that much experience of the scene myself because I (short pause) uh as a teenager I wasn’t really that interested I didn’t really think about it too much um and I was sort of in the suburbs and I went out into town but I wouldn’t have been allowed to be like out down town ‘til all hours of the night I would have had to be home by a certain time um and I don’t know in the suburbs you have a different view of things I think and then in (short pause) the years I probably would have spent going out a lot I was in I was at university and I went to the 1 gay bar there and um and then over the years all the people I’m friends with have moved to Toronto and I know what I know what’s happening on the scene and I know but I’ve never I’ve never been to a Toronto Pride the 1 year I was in Toronto (laughs) for Pride uh the charity my Mother organises was having a fundraiser and I had to go to that because I (short pause) was roped into doing some organisation for it and I hadn’t realised that so the 1 year I remember being in Toronto during Toronto Pride I missed it and I mean I have an interest in going but it just it’s one of those things I grew up there but I’ve never actually lived there as an adult and I’m sure I would love to I’m sure I would love it um I would like to live there but (short pause) at this point I haven’t really it hasn’t just been on the cards to to be there [0.30.46] CB: As a um you’re now a visitor Toronto coming back to Bristol how many have you got many Bristolians in your circle of contacts or do you find they’re mainly people like you who’ve uh moved around or come into Bristol CW: You mean in Bristol CB: Yeah CW: Um (short pause) I think it’s a mix some of the people some of my friends in Bristol (aren’t) I have a few close friends who are actually North American and we’ve come across each other here and then I have a few friends who are British and a few friends who are like born and bred Bristol and my friend I actually have a very good friend who’s from Georgia in America but her husband is born and raised in Bristol so I think it’s a bit of a mix and I actually know people my friend here who was like my first my friend here who I worked with who’s um Hannah who’s a lesbian we used to go out together in Bristol and she introduced me to a few nights here and there and now she lives in Canada and she goes to Toronto quite a lot and she runs an art gallery over there so um (short pause) there is a bit of the more I’m here the more I see there’s a lot of people going back and forth and connections between places which is strange [0.32.07] CB: The reason I was curious about people who are brought up in Bristol still in Bristol that you talk to it was really about the contrast of being a teenager in Bristol maybe there are too many variables to CW: I don’t know that much about what their lives would have been like as a teenager in Bristol um (short pause) because I mean I would have to speculate but in Toronto there’s quite a distinction between the suburbs and the city and the city was a playground for us but only at certain times and only within certain limitations whereas Bristol’s I think it’s a lot more sort of flowing and the suburbs just sort of flow into the city and the city centre is a little more condensed and accessible and um and Bristol well in the UK in general there’s a lot more (short pause) freedom around young people going out and drinking and in Canada getting into bars if you’re under drinking age is a lot trickier and it’s (laughs) so you have there’s a different (beef) like people my age my partner went to the pub when he was 16 17 but there’s no way I could have walked through the door of a pub at 16 or 17 so as a result of that the exposure to bars and clubs happened (short pause) when I was in a small town going to university not while I lived in the with that stuff on my doorstep in the city but (short pause) I don’t know it’s hard for me to say (short pause) [0.33.48] CB: I’m just drawing a parallel for myself as well as as someone who’s moved to Bristol how most of the people I know are not Bristolians they are people like me who moved in CW: Mm there’s a lot of mixed there’s a lot of people from all over very few people I know are like born and bred Bristolians but I have a friend who I have a couple of friends who are and another friend who was born in Weston which is fairly close Weston-Super-Mare but (short pause) I don’t know yeah I don’t know how much I sort of feel like I have a sort of skewed view of the Bristol scene and as a result um although I’ve gone out and gotten into it I sort of 1 of the things I appreciate it for is that it’s so mixed and there isn’t quite a scene so I think (laughs) I don’t know if my view really adds to it to what we’re trying to do or takes away from (laughs) [0.34.46] CB: I was struck by the the comparison you made the observation you made that Bristol is much more of an integrated scene in your experience and um that’s more of a continental way of doing things and the way you described Brighton Manchester being quite ghettoised in the way they operate (short pause) yet that used to be the aspiration was to have a ghetto where we could protect ourselves CW: That’s true I think maybe that has something to do with why I like the way in Bristol it’s really bizarre like Brighton there’s this whole scene and Brighton’s very sort of known to be very like liberal and and at the same time Brighton’s very touristy and polished and I don’t I find Brighton to be a little bit (short pause) superficial and even though there’s this huge um scene in some ways it’s (short pause) quite one-dimensional and in some ways outside of that scene I felt less comfortable being out or at work in different things um because I felt that it was (short pause) everything that’s gay in Brighton fits into this 1 place it doesn’t necessarily bleed into other parts of life I don’t know that may just be a personal thing [0.36.11] CB: But that observation I think is something we should capture in the exhibition somehow CW: Mm yeah perhaps and in Manchester there’s this scene but more and more the scene Canal Street is like hen-dos and (short pause) people who aren’t gay at all it’s just people who are out for (short pause) more and more I find that in Canal Street the people who are out on Canal Street are people who are out for like (short pause) getting really really drunk and just having that kind of night out rather than them being gay or straight or (short pause) do you know what I mean CB: Sounds like you’re describing it’s party street CW: Yeah it’s party street it’s like it’s like um Bourbon Street or the French Quarter New Orleans or something but um (short pause) and in Manchester I noticed more and more little nights popping up that were distinct from Canal Street that were um more like the kinds of things I find in Bristol and little more (short pause) organisations that were sort of alternative creative organisations or lobbying activism organisations um which sort of do different events and events less centred around that (short pause) pop music and drinking kind of scene that Canal Street’s famous for and um I think that’s probably a reaction to (short pause) this co-opting of Canal Street to being where there’s like loads of hen parties and loads of rowdy people just because that’s where (short pause) that’s acceptable and they’re not gonna that’s where you if you go to a bar with 8 with a group of 12 people in costume they are going to let you in (laughs) whereas other bars will turn you away more and more so mm no it’s interesting but (short pause) um and then London’s a whole other mixed bag [0.38.15] CB: Well yeah there can be no comparison really (short pause) I’m just taking a little look at the the script for (short pause) we’ve spoken a lot about socialising (short pause) okay is there anything else you want to add about being gay in Bristol CW: Um I don’t know think so I think that um I don’t know what else I can say really (short pause) I don’t know I’m tempted to say something along the lines of Bristol’s the a place where (short pause) it might just be a something that happens as you get older and move from different place and get to know yourself better but Bristol seems to be the place for me where (short pause) I don’t know I’m not sure what I’m trying to say (short pause) no I think I’ve said all of this already sorry I don’t know what I’m trying to say (short pause) um I’m trying to look through the things myself and see if there’s anything else to mention (short pause) no I think I’ve accurately sort of described what my my views are from living in the different places and what what I see the differences to be or found the differences to be personally um (short pause) I think it’s it’s strange to me because Bristol Brighton is meant people look at Brighton as a very sort of like liberal place and yet and I know Bristol isn’t the most liberal place necessarily but in some ways I feel I’ve always felt much more at ease about (short pause) being open and um gay as a balance in every part of my life and finding all the different aspects of my personality interests (short pause) tastes sexuality all those things Bristol’s the 1 place I’ve found a balance between all those things whereas (short pause) even though I would’ve assumed you’d feel more comfortable in Brighton or somewhere else there was sort of maybe fake-ness or politeness to the liberal to people being open to those kinds of things and um (short pause) I’m having a really hard time trying to like execute what my thought is on this but um for me that’s a big difference but it might just be that as I’ve gotten older I’m more comfortable with things and I have a better way of balancing it but I feel like (short pause) in Bristol I just I mean it’s not a perfect place but it is what it is and it’s generally for better for worse it’s a little rough around the edges but it’s not pretending to be anything it’s not whereas I found in other places a little more (short pause) it’s like um I say that New Yorkers are friendlier than Londoners because if you anger a New Yorker they will tell you to your face and shout at you and I’d much rather someone shout at me than somebody glare at me or tut and look away and I I think I prefer living in places where there are people who have 1 view and people who have another view and they live next to each other and sometimes it clashes and sometimes they don’t but at least you know where you stand and um (short pause) in other places where they create these sort of like gay villages or I sometimes don’t always I always feel like it’s a strange created thing that I don’t quite fit into or that I’m supposed to go and feel at home at but actually (short pause) it doesn’t suit me that much and in Bristol I’ve been able to find pockets and find it’s a place where I’ve been able to find things to suit all of the sides of me and all the sides of my personality not just this like gay wonderland that (short pause) that is reflects 1 part of my personality that defines me rather than all the different things that define me maybe that’s the best way to put it CB: Okay CW: We should probably stop before I go onto CB: Do you want to finish there I’m aware that there’s whole other aspects of your life but we’re not here to capture your whole life story just the bits on Bristol CW: Yeah yeah no totally yeah CB: Okay then I’ll switch off the machine